tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN July 29, 2009 1:00am-2:00am EDT
the first one, the one at the house, only took three hours to serve. they went in. murray greeted them. he was in the house at that time. they took out one computer hard drive and some cell phones. here, a much different story. they were here for a total of eight hours going through medical evidence. they came out with what they called document evidence. they came out with a number of different things that were in briefcases and other smaller items. not the big items we saw in houston. more smaller, more targeted, it seems, but it took them a long time to get them. >> ted, where is dr. murray right now? do we know? is he in las vegas? >> reporter: he is in las vegas. according to a neighbor, he has been in las vegas for much of the period of the last few weeks. his attorney has said his life has been virtually miserable. he hasn't left his home because every time he goes out he is encountered by people and he is -- has to deal with the
public on a level which he's never felt before. that is why he has stayed at home. neighbors say he has been in his home and in las vegas for much of this period while all this investigation has been circulating. >> new details. randi kaye has before covering the growing money battle over jackson's estate. the coroner's report and new information about what happened when paramedics first arrived in jackson's home after that 911 call. randi, first the breaking news. >> reporter: we do have breaking news. sources telling us all along telling us the toxicology report and coroner's report and autopsy results would be made public by the end of this week. now tonight i can tell you, as you heard as well, that the final results and the report will come out next week. i spoke with a source with knowledge of the autopsy. he told me the finishing touches are still being done, still being put on that report. we can't expect it until sometime next week. anderson, yet another delay. >> randi you've been working your source, have new information tonight regarding the timeline and the scene when
paramedics arrived at the house. what did they find? >> reporter: this is new information. i spoke with captain steve ruda from the l.a. fire department. he told me jackson was not breathing and had no pulse when paramedics arrived at the scene at his rented mansion. he said he was in, quote, dire need of help. let me put some things in perspective and tell you about the timeline that this all occurred. we know the 911 call in at 2:22 in the afternoon on june 25th. apparently michael jackson was not mentioned he was the victim there. the call we now know lasted 32 seconds. it took paramedics, four of them in all, three minutes and 17 seconds to get to his house. captain ruda with the fire department told me that mr. jackson got what he called the hallelujah package, which means he really got the works in this case, and at the house, anderson, paramedics worked on michael jackson for 42 minutes. >> never heard that term. the hallelujah package.
why did they work on him at the house for those 42 minutes? why not just take him to the hospital right away? was he not stable, couldn't be moved? >> reporter: i wanted to know that same thing, actually, and he called it scoop and run. that's when they pick up and transport right away. that did not happen in this case for a number of reasons. first of all, i'm told that dr. conrad murray, michael jackson's personal physician, who we just heard a little more about from ted there, in vegas, he took responsibility at the scene, the fire captain told me. he was in charge. he was calling the shots. he decided and determined that it was best to work on him there for those 42 minutes and try to get him breathing at the scene. captain ruda told me when a patient is pulseless and not breathing, there are many things, of course, paramedics can do to try to get the heart beat again. they gave him oxygen and medicines that he would not name. nothing seemed to work. again, this is treatment that was prescribed at the scene, and that's why he wasn't transported. in those 42 minutes that's actually part of the golden hour, i'm told. that's what paramedics call it.
that's all the time they have to jump-start the blood pressure and get the heart going again. the fire captain told me that if a patient is just too far gone, obviously, no matter how long they work on him, nothing is going to help. >> how much time has to pass before a patient is simply too far gone? >> reporter: a patient, i'm told, by this fire captain can go without oxygen for about four to six minutes before severe brain damage sets in followed by death. i asked him if that's what happened in the case of michael jackson, and the captain told me, quote, based on what paramedics saw at the scene, they tried every technique known in the field. still, we know, he could not be saved. in the end they loaded him into the ambulance at his rented mansion in beverly hills. it was about a two-mile drive from there to the ucla emergency room. it took little over four minutes. as we know now that is be he died. >> randi, another hearing to settle michael jackson's estate is coming up on monday. there's now reports more infighting today between the family and the executors. what have you learned about what's going on? >> reporter: this seems never-ending.
the court hearing coming up. well, in advance of that court documents filed today, katherine jackson -- jackson's mother, demanding a pile of financial documents in advance of this august 3rd hearing. that would a contract that he had with record labels, promoters, even a contract he had with his father, apparently. now, as you know, she lost temporary custody of the estate when jackson named the executors in the will of his and the judge granted control of the estate to these executors. katherine jackson apparently suggesting she has not received the documents in advance of the hearing that she wants. she says the executors are keeping her in the dark. her request being viewed by the state as "voluminous, evasive, burdensome and evasive. now, the lawyer for the executives released a statement to us tonight, and it reads the special add mores have and will continue to provide timely information to jackson's counsel regarding potential business for the estate. any inference that we have not been forthcoming in providing
information to katherine jackson's attorneys is not accurate. it goes on to say that mrs. jackson's lawyers have refused the requested terms for a confidential agreement, which is between a third party and the jackson estate. that is why they have not received this one document which is apparently what this is all about. why does this matter? probably a lot of folks asking. well, as you know, hundreds of millions of dollars are at stake here, including record royalties and jackson's share, of course, of the well-known beetles catalog. >> randi kaye covering a lot. thank you so much. ted rowlands as well. let's go to the criminal side of things. jeffrey toobin and lisa bloom join us now. jeff, yesterday you said you didn't think -- it was too early to talk about manslaughter in connection to dr. murray. now they've raided his las vegas office and his home. who what do you think? >> they are obviously engaged in a very serious criminal investigation of him. he is a target. i don't know if he is a target in the legal sense, but certainly in the sense you or i would use.
he is a target of criminal investigation. law enforcement officials do not behave this way unless they think they are going to charge someone. whether they ultimately do and what information -- what evidence they have we don't know. the key fact here is that the affidavit in support of the search warrant, the reasons that the investigators gave to the judge to grant the search warrant, that's still under seal. we don't know that, but obviously, they think they have a case on murray. >> lisa, why wouldn't authorities, though, have done this sooner if they raided his office in texas last week? if dr. murray had something to hide -- and i'm not saying he does. we have no idea. he certainly would have had a lot of time to hide it if he was so inclined. >> well, i can give you my educated hunch, anderson, and that is that i would suspect that law enforcement has preliminary toxicology results, and, remember, dr. murray voluntarily spoke to police twice at the beginning about a month ago, so you put together what he told them. you put together that they probably have preliminary
toxicology results because that's the way these things usually work, and now they're going to go back and see if they can connect the dots between the medications listed in those tox results and dr. murray. do they have, for example, shipping invoices, medical order forms, prescription records, or the actual medications themselves, because, keep in mind, propofol, at the center of this investigation, is not a prescription. it's something that he may simply have had on hand and may have been in michael jackson's rented home, and it may have been in one of the locations that has been searched in connection with dr. murray. either his office or clinic. >> lisa, stick around. jeff bloom as well. we'll have more shortly. the chat is underway at ac360.com. i've just logged on. let us know what you think of all this. also 360 m.d. sanjay gupta takes a look at the drug, diprivan. what does it look like when someone is put under properly? you'll see for yourself second by second. >> he stopped breathing.
his is his watching c 02. this is going to help him breathe. >> let's take a look over here. all the breathing right now is taking place with this mask. the patient under diprivan. later, a group of men in rural north carolina. new information tonight on the arrests. another suspect still at large. and our own peter bergen on how much of a threat or how little violent jihad is becoming in the united states.
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the coroner's report of michael jackson's death, which we thought was going to be released at the end of this week, including all that toxicology information, is now going to be made public next week. not this week, as we've been previously led to believe. meantime, police searching the las vegas home and office of jackson's doctor, conrad murray. investigators, including federal drug enforcement agents quote, looking for a lot of things, unquote. back to the panel, lisa bloom and jeffrey toobin. we know from court documents filed last week that when murray's houston office was raided, it was possibly for a case of manslaughter. that's what his own attorney used the term, it was an investigation of manslaughter. are you any closer to saying that this could be a -- that this is a manslaughter case? >> well, it is a manslaughter investigation. whether they will actually bring charges and whether murray is guilty, i'm not ready to say. >> it would be a hard thing to prove given michael jackson's, you know, the allegations that have already been made about his
drug use for years and years and years. >> it seems to be a very difficult case. obviously, the key fact that we don't know is what are the results of the autopsy? because if there is a single drug in his system and a single obvious cause of death, maybe the case gets a little easier. if there are other drugs in his system, if he has a history of use of other drugs wife seems clearly to be the case, if other doctors were involved in treating hill. if he had independent access to drugs without dr. murray, it does seem like a very hard case to me. >> and, lisa, that would be a question whether dr. murray knew of any other drug use from michael jackson. >> right. the strength of the defense case, if this does turn into a trial, would be causation. can the prosecution prove that the medication given by dr. murray, if any, is what caused jackson's death, and if there are a lot of other medications in jackson's system, it makes it more and more difficult for the prosecution to link this to dr. murray. the strength of the prosecution's case is propofol.
if that's what was in michael jackson's system. if dr. murray can be proven to have given him propofol in a home, which is against all reasonable medical thinking. it's supposed to be in a hospital. there's supposed to be artificial ventilation and in a hospital. then he really i think is in some legal jeopardy because that's beyond the pale of anything that any medical professional would recommend. >> manslaughter calls, you have to prove recklessness. it is possible that use of propofol could be considered reckless. remember, this is not a crime where anybody says murray tried to kill michael jackson. so -- >> of course not. >> -- he could say, look, i was doing my best. i was given these sets of instructions. he had this history. i think intent is -- >> i'm just one in a line of doctors who had given him this over the years. >> that's the idea. >> possibly. >> that's not a defense, anderson. it's not a defense michael jackson wanted it or even begged for it. it's not a defense other doctors
may have done it over the year. the question is, was it medically reckless to give this medication knowing what this doctor knew or should have known and which apparently nearly all other doctors on the planet k w knkno know. what's written on the directions, printed on the forms for propofol, and they were not there in jackson's home. >> lisa bloom, jeff toobin. up next, how diprivan works. you'll see it in use in the only safe place to use it, in a hospital o.r. >> nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. >> that's what it looks like. later, you'd hardly know. he's charged with walking up to a doctor, putting a gun to his head and pulling the trigger. gripping testimony today against the killer of the kansas
talking about michael jackson's final moments and the drug diprivan or propofol. that is what michael jackson has been using on and off for years. the drug, every doctor we asked said would be dangerous to give outside of a hospital setting. you're about to see why. we're going to show you in real-time exactly how diprivan works, and you'll see for yourself all the equipment and expertise needed to make sure patients go under safely and come back up. 360 m.d. sanjay gupta takes up upfront. >> reporter: there's been a lot of discussion about propofol. is it considered safe in any setting, except a hospital or a medical setting? i decided pictures are worth 1,000 words, and i'll take you inside my operating room to show you firsthand what really happens. come on in. so we are here inside the operating room with dr. gerscon. he is the chief of anz thesology here.
this is a medication he uses all the time. is this over here? >> where he. >> it looks like -- milk of amnesia. >> vincent, you okay? >> you have to monitor his ekg and his co2 and make sure is he breathing. you have to see his saturation and make sure he is ventilated. >> these are all -- that's all typical stuff? >> that's standard of care. yes. >> okay. so the propofol. >> you are going to get sleepy. vincent, give me some good, deep breaths. >> take a look at his eyes, how quickly -- >> deep breaths, vincent. doing great. may feel a little burning. okay? >> ten, nine, eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two, one. >> there's a reason for his heart rate increasing. his eyes close. >> his eyes close, and what else? >> look up here.
he stopped breathing. this is watching his co2, and he is not breathing, and my wonderful method is going to help him breathe. >> take a look over here. all of the breathing right now is taking place with this bag and this mask. that medication he wouldn't be able to breathe on his own without those things. you can see part of the problem. with that much propofol there, he stopped breathing and he's going to need a breathing tube. >> easy. >> easy. >> what is so attractive about this medication? >> well, people -- it's really been evidenced in last 15 years, it's basically a quick on, quick off. people may think this is something they can do at home because if it gets out of hand, it goes away quickly. the problem is it gets out of hand, and there's nobody there to resuscitate you then nobody could bring you back. >> reporter: that was pretty quick. you just -- >> five, ten minutes. >> reporter: he's gone from being completely awake to completely asleep.
>> he's not breathing. i'm breathing for him. >> reporter: one point that's worth pointing out is this is a hospital that uses this medication thousands and thousands of times a year but do use this medication in non-hospital settings like outpatient clinics. the doctors say they have never heard of it being used in a home. anderson, back to you. >> sanjay, thanks. fascinating how quickly he stopped breathing after quickly getting that propofol. one footnote. the patient you saw going under during the piece is doing just fine. he is awake and has no implications, we're told. believe it or not as far as the federal government is concerned, diprivan is not a controlled substance. it seems like nobody ever imaged somebody use it in the way michael jackson allegedly did. should it be more tightly regulated? go to ac360.com to read one opinion about the dangers of diprivan addiction. let's get the latest on some of the other stories we're following. erica hill has a bulletin. a senior military official says the top commander in afghanistan will ask president obama for more troops and more equipment there. general stanley mcchrystal took
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seven men, most young in their 20s, charged with plotting terrorist attacks abroad. you're looking at mugshots of four of the suspects. the feds say all seven took part in weapons training and military tactics in north carolina to prepare for violent jihad overseas. authorities are searching for an eighth suspect still at large at this hour. one of the men in custody is 39-year-old daniel boyd. his two sons were also arrested. boyd was born and raised here in america, and until recently -- or until yesterday led a very low-key life as a drywall contractor. not a much different picture. now a much different picture is emerging. david mattingly with details. david, what do we know about this guy, daniel patrick boyd? >> reporter: anderson, what people are telling me tonight was he was a good neighbor, he was a good father, he was the son of a marine officer, a marine veteran of vietnam. they say that there was nothing about him that was suspicious. he seemed like a good friend, someone that you could count on, someone who wouldn't ever be in trouble. you're looking at his mugshot right now.
listen, though, to what is in the indictment, and you hear that what federal officials are saying, that this is possibly a face of homegrown terrorism. this light-haired, strapping man, who does have this deep americana background. what his neighbors do not know about him is that at the age of 19, 20 years ago, he had converted to islam as a teenager and he went to pakistan where he got involved with the resista e resistance, the rebels who were fighting against the afghanistan government that had been set up by the soviets. he aided and assisted them in their fight against that government. now the government is calling that that he has experience with terrorist training camps, even though at the time he was part of something that the united states was supporting to some degree. now they're saying that he received terrorist training, and now they're painting a very different picture of daniel boyd. >> what, exactly, is he being accused of? if his terrorist training,
according to the government was back when he was fighting for the u.s. government was concerning muja hu dean which they were supporting, is that the only thing he's been accused of? >> he and these other men are accused of providing support and facilitating help to terrorist activities overseas, with the idea of doing harm to people abroad. not here on u.s. soil, but in terms of just looking at the indictment. there were some specific things about boyd that he solicited money to fund the travel of individuals overseas to engage in violent jihad. that he showed one of the defendants how to use an ak-47. this demonstration happened in boyd's own living room there in north carolina. and that from november 2008 to april of this year boyd purchased ten weapons, most of them rifles, in part of the indictment saying these men he was involved with were involved in gathering weapons, providing material and financial support to people who were doing these terrorist activities overseas. >> so you had an exclusive
interview with boyd's wife. what did she have to say? >> she was very upset. not only was her husband arrested yesterday, but also two of her sons. she says they are all innocent. she says they have had some difficulties because of their islamic beliefs in the united states after coming back from pakistan all those years ago, but she says they have done nothing illegal, and one of the things that her husband was accused of in the indictment -- it was spelled out how he went to the middle east with the purposes allegedly of engaging in some kind of violent jihad activity. she said that was not the case at all. in fact, one of the times he went over there was to take one of their sons over there for a graduation gift and then to pray for one of their sons who had recently lost his life in a car accident. listen to her words here right now. >> we all had agreed to go to the holy land and pray for our son.
it would be a positive action and it would help console us and it would be in a place where we felt islamically we could do the most good for our departed beloved. >> and that was sabrina boyd, anderson. she's wearing the traditional islamic clothing. she wears that any time she leaves the house. this is a very conservative islamic household. she said they continue to worship at mosques around in the area but that her husband was never engaged in violent activity and she says he is a good man. she maintains she and her sons are innocent. >> i just want to make sure. the things in the indictment aren't all about what happened back when afghanis muhajadeen were fighting the soviets. 7 he left for israel in 2007, according to the government, to 7 engage in what the government says violent jihad but ultimately returned to america. right?
>> this indictment based on activities just in recent years. that was just apparently his 7 first jihad at 19. >> appreciate that. thanks very much. just how big is this potential home grown terror threat, or is it? perspective, let's go to national security analyst peter bergen. we have seen a couple of cases recently of american citizens being radicalized here in america and not just talking about violent jihad, but actually engaging in it. there were young kids in minneapolis, somalis, who ended up going back to somalia, and now this group. what's going on here? >> i think there's a sort of mini wave of homegrown radicals, american citizens. something i was skeptical would ever happen. american muslim s tend to be well-integrated into american society. whether it's a somali case of the minneapolis kids or some kids from seattle going over and conducting a suicide attack in somalia or in this case in north carolina where a number of them
not only went to israel, but also to jordan and kosovo, according to the government allegations to try to engage in some kind of violent gee had. we saw a kid from long island just showing up in an al qaeda training camp in pakistan. that case coming public. i'm sure you recall the attack of little rock, arkansas, where an african-american convert to islam killed an american soldier in recent weeks, so, you know, taken together, this suggests something of a little bit of a shift from what we've seen previously. >> other than the case of the man accused of shooting two u.s. soldiers at that recruiting center, all of these activities have been focused on violence or potential violence overseas. i guess the government's contention is it's not a big leap in logic to believe once you have that training, you could use it here at home? >> yeah, many of these cases revolve around material support. for terrorist organizations. one way you materially support a
terrorist organization is providing yourself as a trainee. for instance, as this kid from long island did in an al qaeda training camp. he not only volunteered, he took part in an operation in afghanistan against an american base. >> bryant neil from long island. what stuns me about that case is he was arrested in pakistan in 2008 and released. just how easy it was apparently for an american to join al qaeda. i mean, in the 2008, the guy just shows up and gets into al qaeda. >> he just showed up and he was instantly taken in, according to reports. and he went into afghanistan. it raises an interesting question, anderson, which if this guy can do this, waltz into an al qaeda training camp in pakistan, why is it that apparently our intelligence agencies for which we spend tens of billions of dollars a year don't seem to be able to do the
same thing? >> thanks, peter. you can join the live chat right now and let us know what you think about this case at ac 360.com. a lot to talk about ahead. up next, accused killer in court. scott roeder. charged with murdering an abortion provider, tiller. his rage, his disturbing letter that his ex-wife received from him in jail. exclusive interview ahead. later, colin powell speaking out about the arrest of henry lewis gates jr. was profiling? we'll hear what powell has to say about that and his own experiences of being racially profiled. where will you find the stability and resources to keep you ahead of this rapidly evolving world? these are tough questions. that's why we brought together two of the most powerful names in the industry. introducing morgan stanley smith barney. here to rethink wealth management. here to answer... your questions. morgan stanley smith barney. a new wealth management firm with over 130 years of experience. lower your
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and shot it, and i -- i wasn't for sure because it wasn't a loud -- it was a pop, a loud pop, but i wasn't sure if it was a cap gun or what. i mean, george fell, and i said in my mind, you know, oh, my god. i couldn't believe what i was seeing. it was surreal. >> surreal and violent. roeder pleaded not guilty today to murder. while he was in the courtroom, his ex-wife was with 360's gary tuchman watching the proceedings and talking about the man she married. now in the exclusive interview you'll only see here, she described her life with roeder. she also shares with us the letter he wrote to her from jail and with the "360 follow, here's gaurry's report. >> reporter: lindsey roberts married scott roeder 23 years ago. they're now divorced, but they had a child together, so their lives have remained intertwined.
but the man she married has long scared her. did you think in the years gone by that your ex-husband was capable of murdering a doctor provider of abortions? >> yes. lrp lindsay said the day she got married she never could have imagined the downward spiral her life would take. were you in love with him when you got married? >> yes. >> reporter: do you still love him? >> i love the scott i married. >> reporter: this is the man she divorced. in court today pleading not guilty to murdering abortion provider judge george tiller. lindsey did not want to see her ex-husband in person in wichita. she watched his preliminary hearing on the computer with me in the kansas city area where she lives. >> not a nightmare. it's life. it's true. >> reporter: over the years lindsey said she saw her once stable husband become increasingly unglued, fanatical about religion and abortion. she filed for divorce after ten years. they stayed in touch because of their son nicolas, who is now 22. over a decade ago, when roeder was stopped with explosives in
his car, lindsay said she warned investigators he was dangerous. she was horrified, but not shocked when her ex-husband was arrested for the murder of dr. george tiller. >> my heart goes out to the tiller family. >> reporter: two weeks after the murder, lindsay rodeer received this letter from her ex-husband in jail. >> my guess is that i'll never hear back from you because that would keep in character with being the grown-up spoiled brat that you are, but my true concern is with our son, nicolas. i'm afraid he is becoming or already become a spoiled brat such as yourself. if you are an adult, you'll respond. if you are a spoiled brat, you won't. >> reporter: lindsey, who says she was emotionally abused for years by scott roeder, did not respond. there's a good chance that scott will see this story or hear about this story. what would you say to him? >> scott, you had no right to take another person's life. you're not god.
you're not a judge. you're not a jury. you say that you are protecting the unborn, that you did it for the children, that you were justified. if you did it for the children, why did i have to fight for years to get child support to care for nicolas? if you did it for the children, if you did it for the children, why wouldn't you pay for a dentist for nicolas? >> reporter: hopes and dreams demolished so completely. >> interesting that he didn't provide for his own child. does she have any plans to attend his trial? >> anderson, she really is very frightened. she doesn't want to meet him in person. she may have to. she found out today from prosecutors that she and her son nicolas are both on the prosecution witness list, so it's very possible they will be called to testify. they will be compelled to testify, but she says she knows that's her duty. she knows it's her son's duty, and they will testify. i will tell you, anderson,
kansas moves very quickly. trial date was set today. less than two months away. trial begins september 21st. >> we'll be following. gary, thanks. you just heard some of the words to his ex-wife. you can read his entire jailhouse letter on ac360.com. coming up next, texting a message and risking your life. new numbers reveal the growing danger and we'll take you on a ride that reveals the risk, texting on the road. later, the "shot." a silly one. a bunny that maybe walks, i don't know, like a person or -- i don't know what other animal. we'll let you be the judge.
if you think drinking and driving is dangerous, wait until you hear about text and driving. we're seeing it more and more. millions of americans are sending text messages from behind the wheel. among them, the city bus driver in san antonio whose distraction ended in, yeah, that highway collision right there. he lost his job.
lucky, no one was killed in that. a new study reveals the scope of the threat. according to the virginia tech transportation institute, truck drivers who were texting are 23 more times likely to get involved in a crash. despite the odds and the risk, a lot of people continue to text on the road. you see it every day. we want to show you how they are playing with fire. we're keeping them honest. the demonstration that just may make you think twice of doing it again. tom foreman joins us. >> point of reference. you talked about the number of times they're more likely to have an accident. the federal government said certain people who are drinking may only be four times as likely to have an accident. you get a sense of how serious this problem is. let's get to the study by virginia tech. this is some of the actual road test video where they were checking people who were texting. this sort of thing. i talked to them earlier today, and they give us a sense of just how badly texting distracts from driving. more than virtually anything else commonly done out on the road. we went out to a parking lot in maryland to test out their findings. first, let's take a look at this.
a relatively low-impact activity. loading a cd. the researchers found that people doing this normally look away from the road for about a second and a half, so i drove this suv right here up to about 25 miles an hour and right here i spent about a second and a half quickly loading a cd. then i looked up and put on the brakes as quickly as i could, and this is where i wound up stopping. now we have a point of reference. this is a second and a half up until this point, anderson, to be able to stop that vehicle for loading a cd. not too bad, anderson. >> all right. so then what about a more intense activity like dialing a cell phone or something? >> that's where it does get more tricky. we do the same experiment. the virginia tech researchers found an actual driving circumstance, and they've been measuring real drivers in real traffic for years. dialing a cell phone can make you glance away from the road for about three seconds at a time. you may do it several times in a row, but only about three seconds at a time. same test. once again, here we go. 25 miles an hour away.
i hit here. i pick up my cell phone and start dialing. we do it for about three seconds, and i look up and step on the brake. i want you to notice what happened here. when i stopped here, this was the mark where i stopped previously, and look how i kept going. that's just the difference in loading a cd and the cell phone. you can see i'm covering a fair amount of turf now before i manage to get stopped, anderson. about twice as far. >> what about texting? >> and texting. this is where it really becomes a mess. it's because of the number six, anderson. these researchers have found that the six seconds before an accident is a critical time in which you might be able to avoid it, but texting requires so much thought and action it takes up almost all of that time. that's why this is a problem. researchers say people who are texting routinely take their eyes off of the road for nearly five seconds. that's not to complete it. that's just at a time. watch what happens. once again, here we go. 25 miles an hour right here.
i start texting. i do it for 4.6 seconds, and by the time i get on the brake, look where i wind up. i effectively drove that entire way blind, anderson. look at this. here's the mark where i was trying to dial the cell phone. back here is where i got past the one. where i started. here's where i passed the one for loading the cd. you get a sense of just how terribly far you can go with this and that's traveling at 25 miles an hour. >> yeah. i mean, that is the interesting thing. you're only driving 25 miles per hour. on the highway you would be going much faster. >> if you take your eyes off of the road at highway speeds because you are texting, look, here i'm waving down at the end down here. you keep going in the five seconds that you're not looking at the road, you could drive the entire length of a football field and both end zones and, again, you are essentially driving blind the entire time.
think of how much. >> five seconds, that's incredible. >> it is unbelievable. that's why the researchers at virginia tech are making a strong recommendation, which we have in the window of our truck here. they think that there should be a ban on all texting at all times for all drivers more than a dozen states have already started to do this. and they believe cell phone use should be banned for all newly licensed teens. i'll tell you this, anderson. this was a simple test, and it made a believer out of me. i thought before i could get away with flicking my eyes up. they said everyone believes that, but the statistics prove that we all think we're better at it than we really are. >> i will say i have done it as well. i have texted while driving. i will not do it anymore based on your thing. tom, appreciate it. thanks very much. hope other people out there take a lesson as well. coming up next, colin powell on race. speaking out on professor gates' arrest and his own experience, he says, with racial profiling. also, major loss for michael phelps. his world record broken, and the controversy sparked over what his competition was wearing. re nothing complicated about a pair of 10 inch hose clamp pliers.
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raw politics tonight. thursday evening the professor and policeman involved in the racially charged arrest in cambridge will meet with president obama at the white house and we bet frank talk about the incident or applied photo hospital. we're not sure. henry lewis gates jr. says he was a victim of a racial profiling. sergeant crowley adamantly denies that charge. a lot of people from the president down have weighed in. colin powell gave his opinion what happened. the former secretary of state sat down with larry king earlier. powell's remarks about the gates arrest and his own experience
with police are quite candid. here he is. >> teaching point for young people, especially, not for doctor gates. but for young people, especially, is when the police are looking into something and if you're involved in it in one way or the other, cooperate. don't make the situation more difficult. i think in this case the situation was made more difficult on the part of the cambridge police department. once they felt they had to bring dr. gates out of the house and to handcuff him, i would have thought at that point, adult supervision would have stepped in and said, okay, look, it is his house, come on. let's not take this further. take the handcuffs off. good night, mr. gates. >> larry: were you ever racially profiled? >> yes, many times. >> larry: did you ever bring anger to it? >> of course. anger is best controlled. sure i got mad. i got mad when i -- as a national security adviser to the president of the united states. i went down to meet somebody at reagan national airport and nobody recognized -- nobody thought i could possibly be the national security adviser to the president.
i was just a black guy at reagan international airport. it was only when i went up to the counter and said is my guest here who's waiting for me did somebody say, oh, you're general powell? it was inconceivable to him that a black guy could be the national security guy. >> larry: how do you deal with things like that? >> suck is up. what are you going to do? it was a teaching point for him. i'm national security adviser and am black and i can do the job. so you have this kind of -- there is no african-american in this country who has not been exposed to this kind of situation. do you get angry? yes. do you manifest that anger? you protest. you try to get things fixed. but it's kind of a better course of action to take it easy and don't let your anger make the current situation worse. >> colin powell tonight. here are some of tonight's other stories we're following. erica hill. the 360 bulletin. freedom in iran, the iranian government released 140 prisoners arrested during a protest over last month's presidential election. now, hundreds of people were
detained. officials claim only the organizers of the conflict are still behind bars. on capitol hill the senate judiciary committee approved judge sonia sotomayor's supreme court nomination. south carolina senator lindsey graham was the only republican to vote for sotomayor. the full senate will take up a nomination next week. the world swimming championships in rome, stunning loss for 14 time olympic gold medalist michael phelps. first individual defeat in four years. being beat in the world record as well. his advantage was a high-tech swimsuit, said to be banned sometime next year. and a first look at billionaire sir richard branson's mother ship. the plane designed to launch everyday earthlings into space. known as the white knight ii. debuted at an air show in wisconsin. no word on when the first flight into space will be. 300 seats have already sold for $200,000 a piece. those on board will get five
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